This unit should be saved for a museum!
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| Posted by Tim G. on April 13, 2009 | |
Amazing! Great Work!
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Why have they been in so called storage for such a long time? Were there other intentions for this and the other units in the deadline? Great looking image. Thanks for sharing.
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Someone save all of them please, especially the TM. What is the 2nd unit?
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I am with Luke Ansell here. I agree save the TM since you don't see many of them around, however does anyone know what the heck that unit is sitting directly behind the Train Master. It is an odd looking unit and something that I am willing to bet is a bit of a home brew deal. I would definitely like to see more pictures of her and a little more info on her as well.
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The second unit was used to test rebuilt 645s, to make sure all was good, before placing them back into the units. This piece of equipment hasn't been used for a good 6 to 7 years know. And yes this was a Ogden Shops idea of a movable bench tester, equipped with air and all standard gauges.
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I bet Heritage Park would love to get that TM. They are mostly steam, but they have a few diesels there, and since this is a rare loco, they would most likely say yes if they were offered it.
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Definately agree the TM should be saved. My guess is the second unit is an engine test bed built from the frames of an old SD either a 40 or 45. Perhaps someone could confirm this.
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If they have no place for the CLC-FM in Calgary, I'm sure it could be found a home in Toronto!
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I saw the FM in the thumbnail and thought FOR SURE that this photo was 20 years old or more. Wow! Delson would be a last resort if it can't be saved.
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So much history on one track in Canada, Great Shot!
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I assume these are still owned by the railroad. And if so, then spending even $1 would not make profitable sense. But just leaving hulks out in the open to 'rot' doesn't seem to make much sense either. Has this unit been "in storage" since 1975? Wow - storage for what?. I've seen several photos of dozens, maybe even a hundred UP locos, end-to-end, that need repair, but they are just parked. I'm not a railroad person, so I just can't figure out the economics of this. It all seems a shame to me.
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A bit of positive info for some of you is that at least the TM unit is "out west" where the rust isn't so bad(only surface). If it were anywhere east of Manitoba, there would've been a rust pile there long ago.
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That is NOT a Train Master. First it only has four axles (from what I can see at least), and the caption says "H16-44." A "real" Train Master would be an H24-66. I do agree that old FM's should be saved when and if possible, but as someone pointed out, this would not be the least economical for the CP.
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This is a Baby Train Master and is part of CP Rails historical fleet. It had been stored at the Buck Crump building, which is SAITs(Southern Alberta Institute of Technology) north campus and former home of CP Rails training facility, which is now located at the Alstom shops(former Ogden Shops). The original idea was to restore the unit and paint it in its original Tuscan and Grey paint. Now if ti happens who knows and with the way things are these days, this is where she will sit for many more years.
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Her sister 8905 is in the Delson museum.
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Jon, you may have answered another question I had. I love to find the locations of photos on this site using Google Maps or Virtual Earth. You can get some very cool 3D perspectives. I know the satellite photos are taken at much different times, but the Google Earth photo shows almost this exact line-up. The Virtual Earth 2D views show something close but there is an extra engine. The 3D views have a totally different line-up with only four engines. Not sure what they are. The point is, this loco looks like it hasn't moved in YEARS. But obviously it has. I thought these "bull ring" or "out-of-service" areas didn't move around that much, but apparently I'm wrong.
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| Posted by MrDan on April 19, 2009 | |
There's hope yet...CP 8000 was in similar delerict condition and recently donated to the WCRA.
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Actually, this is not a "Baby Trainmaster" either. The "Baby" was the rare H16-66, most of which were owned by Chicago & Northwestern.
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If this discussion is still going on, I feel that as the resident FM nut and photographer, I should set the record straight. The Trainmaster is indeed the H24-66, six axle, 2400HP unit. The Baby Trainmaster was indeed a baby version of that, with six axles and 1600HP, the H16-66. The H16-44 is neither of these, with 4 axles. There is indeed a Baby Trainmaster in Ogden Shops, on the other side, painted in CP's tuscan red and grey livery with block lettering and numbered 7009. It was never a CP locomotive, however, and is privately owned. It may also be the last Baby Trainmaster in existence.
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